Sour dough using unbleached all purpose flour is very wet during the preshaping
My wife created her own sour dough starter. She’s been feeding it unbleached white flour. It’s doing great. When she is making her dough during the first step she is using a recipe that calls for bread flour and whole wheat flour. However we don’t have bread flour so we are using all purpose flour.
She’s rested the dough a few times and when she is trying to work it in the preshaping step the dough is really wet and doesn’t seem to have good surface tension. She keeps adding flour to try to dry it out.
The dough basically is just flat on the counter...
What are we doing wrong? Do we need to adjust the recipe for the all purpose flour? Or work the dough differently?
update I did more research and Cook’s Illustrated suggested holding the salt temporarily for 15 minutes. Salt hinders autolyse. They found that delaying salt hastened gluten development by an hour.
ratios/recipe
400 g warm water
100 g sour dough starter
400 g bread flour (which we don’t have)
100 g whole wheat flour
Rest for 60 min
add 10g salt and 10g water
Repeat following 3x:
Then stretch and fold, etc.
Rest 60 min
After this the dough was as described in my post.
Best Answer
(I am assuming your starter is at 100% hydration, i.e., that it is half water, half flour. I am also assuming you have no/little experience in baking bread. Please correct me if wrong.)
Looking at your ratios, you have a total of 460g water (400g as water, 50g in the starter, 10g with the salt) to a total of 550g flour (including 50g from the starter). This gives you an overall hydration of just over 83%, which is definitely a wetter dough. Handling wet dough is not easy. I think there might not be anything wrong with your dough itself (although see below), and you just need to get more experience working with wetter doughs.
One thing that may make the dough wetter than the recipe assumes: both bread flour and (especially) whole wheat flour absorb more water than AP flour. Substituting AP flour for the bread flour is not going to make a huge difference, but still might make the dough wetter than is expected.
My advice: lower the hydration to somewhere in the 65%-70% range (i.e., replace the 400g water with 297g-325g). Learn to handle this dough (this might take a few trials), then start increasing the hydration.
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Why is my sour dough wet?
Temperature Too Warm Temperature is one of the most important factors when making sourdough. It affects pretty much every part of the process. If your kitchen is too warm, the dough can become a sloppy, wet mess. High temperatures can cause premature over fermentation, which will result in wet, sticky sourdough.What if my dough is too wet?
Basically, punch down the dough, incorporate flour and keep kneading until the dough is "shapable", then shape them into rolls and bake.Can I use all-purpose flour for sourdough starter?
If you do not have whole wheat flour, just use all purpose flour instead. The starter will be fine. I switch to all purpose flour for the feedings because it's reliable, inexpensive and practical for everyday baking (remember, a portion of your starter is removed, discarded, or used for something else).Why is my dough so sticky after kneading?
Why is my dough so sticky? Your dough can become sticky when you add too much water or the flour isn't suitable for the type of dough you are making. Over proofing or fermenting the dough can also result in the gluten structure weakening causing sticky dough.Easy Sourdough Starter with white flour
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Answer 2
You don't state how you are handling the dough from the autolyse through the pre-shaping. It sounds to me like you are lacking in gluten strength. So, after the autolyse, what is your kneading regimen? When I make sour dough, especially with high hydration formulas, the initial kneading serves an important role. So, whether you are using a mechanical mixer, or doing slap and fold, a solid 8 - 10 minutes is necessary. It is often a sticky mess at the beginning, but as the gluten develops things get easier. Then, 30 minute rest, followed by a set of slap and folds, followed by a 30 minute rest. This usually happens 4 times. Avoid the urge to add more flour in these steps. Let the process, and time, do the work. Then, rest for the remainder of bulk fermentation. The suggestion of trying a slightly lower hydration until you get the feel for things is a good one. However, given your description, I think an important improvement to make is the development of the gluten structure in your dough. It should work just fine with AP flour.
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